This is a discussion on anybody can advice?? within the General Parenting Discussion forum, part of the Growing Up & Parenting category; Hi, i intend to sent my girl to GUG or JG but both are quite expensive. What is the best ...
i intend to sent my girl to GUG or JG but both are quite expensive. What is the best age to sent her cos dont't want to waste my money. I was thinking 1 or 2 yr. Or any recommendation similar to the both sch? Thank you very much.
Hey babe you must create and let them know that lerning is fun not stressful. If is stressful then something is wrong. Every learning should be fun so you have to change your thinking concept ( stressful) to lerning is fun then your kid will feel that way cos kid normally feel how you feel so dont pass the wrong message. If not next time she will think study again!!! so you must let her feel study yeah i like it!!! This is my point of view. For me i dont want my kid in future facing this kind of stress cos me myself not being brought up in a good manner but now with so much of knowelage that i learn i will prepare her rather throw her to suffer. Hope it helps.
My Seamus started attending GUG in Jan this year, at 21 months old.Originally Posted by chuaeil
Their set-up is such ... Gifted Babes (8 to 18 mths) & Gifted Tots (18 to 30 mths).
From what I can observe over the last months, I think it's not wise to let your kiddo join when he's just met the age limit ... for example, when he's 8-10 mths or 18-21 mths.
This is becoz your kiddo will be at a disadvantage when compared to the other kiddos in his class ... who are older & therefore, already can do more in terms of psycho-motor, cognitive & communicative skills.
Inadvertently, you'd be creating the stress & tension for your kiddo ... which you already said you dont wish to do.
thanks for the reply. Thats the good point ( when he's 8-10 mths or 18-21 mths.
This is becoz your kiddo will be at a disadvantage when compared to the other kiddos in his class ... who are older & therefore, already can do more in terms of psycho-motor, cognitive & communicative skills.) you have point out. So dose it mean that i sent her when she 1 yr old to the Gifted Babes?
From my pt of view. I feel that instead of bombarding babies with all sorts of educational dvds, flashcards, blahblah, y not incorportate some "exercusions" and bring them out for simple outings to the zoo, beach, gardens blahblahblah for more onsite seeing to get a real feel of it? I've tried on dear daughter and it works for her. Not sure if it applies to all though.
Storytelling, music movement.... all this i am not that pro for it so i also have to learn. As for Shichida is because there is still many things I need to learn cos they got alot of ideas how to teach your kid so i will go and learn with my baby and practise at home. In future for my sec one ( if i have ) i dont need to sent her to shichida ... I can save up that part.
Teaching is not easy so me myself also wants to learn. Free one rather go and pay fee to learn teaching, not cheap for teacher course. For expample Phonics we last time dont learn and actually our pronunciation alot of missing sound cos i learn that before but cannot remmber all .
But remmember Outing i sure join unless cant make it..... hehe...
As for the environment, is a little very crowded before and after class. N i heard the class is getting bigger now. Last time they onli have like 10 baby in a class..overall i love the place. Very positive teaching
IMHO, one of the main considerations on whether you should send your kiddo to Gifted Babes really will have to be its affordability ...Originally Posted by chuaeil
Many would quickly emphasise that GUG is expensive, but at less than $600 for a term of 8 weeks (which means less than $10 per day) ... I feel I can forgo some of my own enjoyments to let my son have this .
Of course, I can appreciate if you intend to send your kiddo for other enrichment classes ... or even if your kiddo is not the only child you are investing in.
For the record, I did not start Seamus with formal classes until he was 18 months ... my contention was that what can he even learn amidst so many strangers when he cannot even express himself comprehensibly.
For a start, I started sending him to gym classes at JWT, where he picked up social skills while learning to improve on his psycho-motor skills, plus bits & pieces of cognitive skills.
After just 1 term of that, I felt that he has accummulated sufficient confidence & experience ... so, I stopped JWT & commenced on Gifted Tots at the start of this calendar year.
Over at GUG, they regularly display the children's art works on the noticeboards ... I've come to the conclusion that there is no way the Gifted Babes could have done some of these work all by themselves ... or for that matter, understand what the fuss was all about.
More significantly, I've gathered from parents of Seamus' classmates who progressed to Gifted Tots from Gifted Babes that ...
- either their kiddos are their only child at home, so this was a good channel for their kiddos to pick up on social skills
- or their kiddos only have the maid as companion all week long, so this was a good channel for the child to be taught the proper way
Now that you've heard a bit more inside information, I guess you will definitely be better placed to invest in your kiddo's education stock ... just dont report me to the authorities.
Ok, ladies ... before I get misrepresented further, I did not say you should not start your kids young. What I am saying is you have to ensure your kid is ready ... as in dont put him in a disadvantaged position, to start with.Originally Posted by autumn82
Well, it depends really ... I give you a concrete example.Originally Posted by autumn82
My Seamus has always been a foodie ... since young, he has no qualms of engaging his hands when eating & as he grow older, he has also become more distracted to make his makan time longer & longer.
At home, we've been trying to explain things to him ... just like you said, we can teach him ourselves. However, we made no headway ...
After he attended GUG, all of these problems have now vanished on its own ... during snack time in class, he has learnt (totally through observations of his own) that everybody else eats with a spoon instead of messy hands & that if you dont eat quick enough, the unfinished snacks will have to be put away when the time is up.
So, you see, when exposed to a playgroup, the kids do get exposed to a subtle but effective form of peer pressure ... which to me, is a good thing.
I'm sure it works ... not just for your daughter, but definitely everybody else too. But where bringing the kiddo to the zoo & the beach is concerned, how often can it happen?Originally Posted by autumn82
On the contrary, I have purchased a truck's load of DVDs ... including the series from Your Baby Can Read, Brainy Baby, Baby Bumble Bee, Baby First, Pocoyo & Hi-Five.
I dont know if you'd call this "bombarding" but I have a 22" LCD installed on the wall in his playroom ... & I get the maid to broadcast the discs sequentially on a daily basis, but I also tell her not to even bother seating my boy down ... almost like the staff in the CD shop ending up memorising the lyrics of all songs, know what I mean?
Of course, he likes some more than the other ... so much so that he'll even bring his handful of favourite discs to us, to have it played for him.
You are right about the environment ... some of the things they set up is just too much an effort to even replicate at home.Originally Posted by chuaeil
The other thing I wanna say is ... JG & GUG (& many others too) have very different concepts & beliefs.
For a start, I didn't send my kiddo to JG ... becoz I dont believe in spending good money to let them just learn how to play. To be very frank, I dont believe in "play, play, play ... & your child will still be a genius" ...
On the contrary, I believe it's healthy to give my kiddos pressure, just dont overdo it (which is the tricky part, of course) ... I mean, we as adults all know that there is no life without pressure, so why teach your kiddos to evade the issue, instead of teaching them how to face & overcome it?
Oh yes, parents also send their kiddos to JG ... also becoz of their good Mandarin program.
In contrast, I must say I am not impressed with GUG in this area ... but of course, I only found out about this deficiency after we have done 1 term. However, I chose GUG (& intend to stay on with them) ... only becoz of 1 thing: ZooPhonics.
I will just say that I am happy so far ...
Have you started with Shichida?Originally Posted by chuaeil
My Seamus is gonna start his class in early Apr ... after having been on the waiting list since Oct 08.
Any reason why you didn't continue those "pre-nursery classes" with GUG?Originally Posted by yakii
For that matter, what about his nursery & kindergarten classes?
For the record, I also dont intend to carry on with GUG for his nursery or kindergarten classes ... simply becoz I dont see them offering any more "value-adds" other than the ZooPhonics teachings. I'm pretty sure Seamus would be able to master it all by the end of this year, judging at the rate of progress he's currently making.
Actually, there is no ONE particular good teacher ... it all depends on how your kiddo respond to him/her.Originally Posted by chuaeil
For example ... just a couple of weeks back, one of the teachers was sick & they had a replacement activated from United Square. This replacement, according to some parents in the class (whose kids had prior experiences in United Square), was one of the best ... but in my eyes, I didn't see that ... in fact, I felt she was not as observant nor patient, compared to the teacher who was sick.
As for environment, let me give you another example.
My Seamus is attending GUG at Suntec City ... which means that he started at the same time when GUG started operations there - in other words, there were no classmates who were more accustomed to the environment than Seamus was.
In contrast, we have new kiddos joining the class now (in the 2nd term) ... either fresh, progressed from Gifted Babes or simply transferred from United Square.
To these newbies, although it was still the very same environment in the class, I sensed that they have quite a bit to overcome ... new classroom setting, new teachers, new routines, etc etc.
So, when the routine songs & activities are being conducted ... these newbies will feel inevitably lost & when compared to those who had been there since the 1st term, these newbies may even feel less competent & less confident ... & it's no fault of theirs, really.
In conclusion, I have to register that a lot depends on circumstances ... if you're not sure about GUG, why dont you sign up for a trial class with them? Go feel it for yourself ... before subjecting your kiddo to it all on a regular basis.
Not DVDs of Mr Bean, I hope ...Originally Posted by autumn82
I am still loooking around. My plan is finding one to let her go for the enrichment class then when she grows older hopefully can let her continuse the nursery then kindergarden in the same school, i think that is quite good idea. So thats why still looking around. You like zoo phonic. did you check it out the zoo phonic school whichis ver propular.
no... not yet cos my baby is only 6 mths intending to send her when she reach 1 yr old but have not enroll her yet. Is it too late?
Talking about Shichida... Have you heard about little Neruo tree. Is about the same as shichida. Any fedback, also chossing between this 2.
Thank you so much i appreciated it very much.
Walau ... must warn the others when you attend the next gathering with your little prince, before he starts performing all sorts of slams on the other kiddos.Originally Posted by autumn82
That was my plan too ... until we started with GUG itself.Originally Posted by chuaeil
It seems like there is no such thing ... I mean, the better pre-schools & kindergartens all have strengths of their own ... some I fancy, some I dont ... but there're just no one singular pre-school or kindergarten which has it all.
Essentially, ZooPhonics is about these 7 principles:Originally Posted by chuaeil
(1) The Animals help the children remember the shapes and sounds of the letters
(2) Letter sounds are taught before letter names
(3) Lowercase letters are taught before capital letters
(4) The body movement for each animal letter helps "cement" the phonemic information into memory
(5) The alphabet is taught sequentially, and as a whole entity, "a-z." The alphabet is not fragmented
(6) Short vowels are taught before long vowels
(7) Phonemic patterns (at, bat, fat, sat, etc.) are taught first, rather than random word lists (of, it, then, was, etc.)
You can read more about it here: http://www.zoophonics.com/research.html
Yes, I believe in ZooPhonics ... especially (2) & (3), which are bypassing convention but are definitely logical steps in helping any child to read independently on their own more quickly.
Yes, I also know of the local ZooPhonics franchisee ... & I've been to one of the schools (Tampines) to check them out.
However, I've still elected to stick it out with doing it at GUG (all the way in Suntec City) ... becoz I'm not convinced the franchisee know what they are doing.
Thing with Shichida is ... you are just one of many who wants in.Originally Posted by chuaeil
Take me for example ... like I said, I oly wanted my Seamus to be exposed to formal training when he reached 18 months ... so I went to Shichida to register, thinking there's bound to be vacancies since everybody also say "so expensive " ... end up we were put on the waiting list & I had to even commit the $300 refundable deposit upfront, just to convince them that I am serious & should be "jump queued" when places open up.
To be very honest, I believe in the Shichida Method ... but not its local franchisee, which in my personal opinion, has made the whole set-up a very very profitable commercial entity.Originally Posted by chuaeil
Little Neuro Tree is started by her brother ... therefore, making me suspect that it's a "guinea pig" vehicle to put to practise what they have gathered over years of running Shichida ... BUT did not managed to get sanctioned by Prof Shichida in Japan itself.
You can read about my early postings here: http://www.mummysg.com/forums/f23/br...t-course-7302/
Wow they really expend very fast. Actually they said Shichida is money orientened i was doubting LNT too coss they expend so fast. I like Shichida products but for method i cant said too much cos i have not attend their calss yet even tho my friends son have already attended for 1 yr plus. I would said i like the right brain training but is really not easy to chose a good sch.
I bought the shichida method book from japan it explains and how the shichida method works. But too bad LNT dont have trial neither Shichida.
So what is your point of view. Chose Shichida?
Before I get misunderstood, I must clarify that when I said I believe in the Shichida Method, I mean what Prof Shichida do ... & not what the local franchisee does, even in their classrooms.Originally Posted by chuaeil
After all, I've yet to even commence class with Seamus at Shichida.
A good friend of mine told me this ... his 2 kids attended Shichida for a year each & although he concedes that they were able to do things earlier than their peers, my friend is not convinced that his 2 kids would not still achieve this without any Shichida training.
In Seamus' GUG class, there are also a couple of kids who attends Shichida on a weekly basis ... for no less than a year already. However, I've not seen anything in these kids to suggest they are now any more intelligent or competent tha my Seamus.
You asking for my view?Originally Posted by chuaeil
Hahahaha ... thought I already said I signed Seamus up for class, which will commence next month?
Anyway, before I make that decison, I did make a very thorough comparison between Shichida, Little Neuro Tree & Glenn Doman.
More significantly, I need to stress that I'm sending Seamus there ... to see if they will identify him as a genius & not hoping for them to train him into a genius. Fundamentally, I am still of the belief that geniuses are born & not trained ... just like we'd never see another Lee Kuan Yew or Fandi Ahmad.