What is your 14mths daily feed?

[ebi]

Hi my gal is 14mths soon, she still drink lots of milk, her feed schedule is like:
breakfast - milk (120-150ml)
mid morning - snack: break/biscuit
lunch - porridge & apple
afternoon - 2 x milk (180-200ml) and bread
dinner - cereal/canned baby food/porridge
before bed - milk (120-200ml)
midnight - milk (150-200ml)

Is she having too much milk at her age? and still get up at night for milk, anyone know how to wean off the midnight feed? and yet she kind of refuse to have fruit since she was very young, i guess she can't take the fruit acid, in the past we gave her fruit after her feed, but sometime she would vomit as she dun like the sour taste. we tried to blend in fruit with her food, but she can taste it still and refus to eat. anyone have similar problem and any suggestion? tks.

 

[lynoh78]

Hi my gal oso 14mth

7+am first feed milk 5oz
11/12+pm cereal after dat nap
Sometm 1/2+ milk again but dis tm seldom
5+/6pm porridge
7+/8+pm last feed milk 5oz
But whole day in between got snack
9pm zzz time tru out nex morn

 

[meiteoh]

Hi my gal is 14mths soon, she still drink lots of milk, her feed schedule is like:
breakfast - milk (120-150ml)
mid morning - snack: break/biscuit
lunch - porridge & apple
afternoon - 2 x milk (180-200ml) and bread
dinner - cereal/canned baby food/porridge
before bed - milk (120-200ml)
midnight - milk (150-200ml)

Is she having too much milk at her age? and still get up at night for milk, anyone know how to wean off the midnight feed? and yet she kind of refuse to have fruit since she was very young, i guess she can't take the fruit acid, in the past we gave her fruit after her feed, but sometime she would vomit as she dont like the sour taste. we tried to blend in fruit with her food, but she can taste it still and refus to eat. anyone have similar problem and any suggestion? thanks.

Yes, she's taking in too much milk. After 12 mths, she is supposed to get her nutrients from solids and not milk anymore. After all, she's no longer a baby.

Because she's taking in a lot of milk at night, it affects her appetite during the day. By right, she should already be on three meals a day with one to two snacks. Milk should be offered as a snack and no longer a main meal.

Am sorry to tell you this but you'll need to be more firm with her and her eating habits. It starts from the moment you put them on solids; they eat what you give them and not choose what they want or don't want to eat. The earlier you start being more firm with them, the easier it'll get in the future because as they grow older, they'll be able to stand firm and say no and INSIST no. So yes, discipline starts at the moment you introduce solids.

Am not too sure what you mean by fruit acid - the only fruits that are acidic are citrus; the rest are more fruit sugars, etc. If it's sour, then sorry, but you need to learn how to choose ripe fruits.

If you want her to eat fruits, there are a few ways but you must be firm (many parents are softies when it comes to disciplining their children at the dining table - sorry):

1) Offer the fruit only and nothing else. Don't say things like "If you eat Fruit A, I give you item B". You're merely sabotaging yourself by saying that B is better than Fruit A.

2) Offer fruit with something that she likes or in the form that she likes, eg homemade sorbet, fruit puree with yogurt, muffin, etc.

3) Set ground rules and limits - a) Must try new things and then decide if you like or not and b) Even if you don't like, must finish at least a certain amount. Children need rules and limits to establish order in their lives - we all live by rules - and they shouldn't be allowed to choose for themselves freely. What would they know about nutrition at 14 months?

4) Limit choices and make them healthy ones - Offer Fruit A and Fruit B; at least she is in control or under the illusion that she has a choice.

Because you haven't done this since she was younger, it'll be harder to break but once your daughter becomes more open-minded to food, it is easier when it comes to feeding and when ensuring a more balanced nutrition. Note that her eating habits now will probably not change for a long time so best to start them young.

Oh, please move off the porridge stage - she should be eating chunky and textured food like pasta and rice. Porridge doesn't do much to help babies learn how to chew and handle textured food.

 

[s3r3n385]

My girl is 14 mth too, i dun see any problem with the milk. She is 14 mth only. At their young age, milk is essential for them. My girl drink abt 3 to 4 times a day too. As long as she is eating well and healthy. I don't see any very serious issue as individual kids is different.

 

[meiteoh]

My girl is 14 month too, i dont see any problem with the milk. She is 14 month only. At their young age, milk is essential for them. My girl drink about 3 to 4 times a day too. As long as she is eating well and healthy. I dont't see any very serious issue as individual kids is different.

This 500ml max rule about milk is not something I came up with overnight - note that I mean quantity and not frequency. Milk is essential but too much milk is bad (...just like how too much of anything is bad) - besides, after 12 mths, children should be getting their nutrition from solids and not just milk.

This is advice and recommendation from paed nutritionist and backed by researchers around the world. I shared this on another thread and other mummies who have either done their research or are dietitians agreed.

I've seen real life cases where friend's babies got diagnosed with iron deficiency - it affects neural and physical growth - so I believe that we cannot overlook certain things just because we've been doing it for the past 20 over years, especially if they have scientific backing and research.

But you're right - at the end of the day, we're talking about your baby...this is just my two cents. Whether people want to listen or not, it's no skin off my nose. After all, we're just sharing opinions and info.

 

[shiyi]

8am - 180ml
12nn - porridge
4pm- 180ml
7pm- porridge
10pm - 180ml

if she wakes up in the middle of the nite like 3am, got to feed another 180ml

 

[Ivy Miao]

8am - 180ml
12nn - porridge
4pm- 180ml
7pm- porridge
10pm - 180ml

Shiyi, if I rem correctly, your daughter is about the same age as mine? 14months now? Shes still feeding on porridge? No fruit or snacks?
if she wakes up in the middle of the nite like 3am, got to feed another 180ml

 

[ebi]

Yeah, sometime my gal also would get up in middle of night and cry for milk... i think not all baby can sleep through the night, I know baby at 2-3 yrs still on and off get up for night feed also...

 

[s3r3n385]

Shiyi, my girl feeding is the same as urs. My friend who's girl is 2 yr also has the same routine. But not porriage. Other solid food. So i think should be fine as long as they are healthy n strong

 

[ebi]

I spoke to pedia, she said is fine the she is having 2 soild feeds a day at her age, just in give snack like bread, cereal, etc as morning snack before lunch.

 

[striving]

Same having this age baby..
Have been feeding her cereal as breakfast, porridge for lunch & dinner and snack (eg, bread, yogurt, apple, etc) in the afternoon.
I try to check with paed every visit on the nutritional advice, so as to be more assure that my doing is in the right path and appropriate for the growing stages..One of the advices received from paed is that not only plain porridge, baby needs to eat the meat and vegetables as well for balanced diet..
In fact, at times, i am troubled over what food to prepare for the meals, eg, the snack or what vegetables to add in. Thus, am still capturing as much tips as possible on this area through related website or books..welcome for any recommendation and advices..

 

[meiteoh]

Check out websites like wholesometoddlerfood.com and wholesomebabyfood.com. There are other mummy blogs around the site that can provide you recipes. Do note that they as well as your paed are not certified dietitians or nutritionists so always take their suggests with a pinch of salt.

Ebi, I wonder why your PD doesn't suggest breakfast instead of a snack before lunch. Even my PD was quick to agree that at 14 mths, toddlers should already be starting on three meals a day with small snacks throughout.

 

[dujuanrosa]

my 14-month girl-
5am - BF. volume = ???
8am - EBM 100ml
9am - breakfast/morning snack/call it what you want
11am - EMB 100ml
12pm - lunch of porridge (vege + meat/fish)
3pm - EMB 100ml
5pm - dinner (menu is the same as lunch) + 1/2 a hardboiled egg
8pm - BF
<my mom fits in the fruit somewhere, i usually give it in the afternoon on weekends. don't know what other snacks my mom feeds her in the day...>
another 1-2 rounds of BF-ing in the night

i don't think she gets a substantial amount of food in the morning to call it breakfast. i would rather call it a morning snack. i don't think there is an issue here. different babies develop at different pace. some eat very little in the morning so hard to force a substantial amount down their throats first thing in the morning. my daughter's appetite increases as the day progresses. the amount of porridge she takes is about 50% more in the evening than for lunch. even in the family, there are different patterns. i eat a lot for breakfast once i wake up at 5am. my husband can only start eating at 9am. anything wrong? i don't think so.

re her monotonous diet of porridge - she only has four teeth - 2 front teeth each upper and lower jaws. can she chew? soft foods that can be grounded with her gums, like soft rice, bread, rice rusks. but i am not prepared for her to grind her food with her gums the whole meal... and she chokes on food that does not mash up after swirling it a while in the mouth. e.g. corn. and hence, the soft diet. my son started teething v late too and went through the same routine. any problems now? no. he eats everything. if anything, he prefers veggies to meat. i remember a girl who shares the same birthday as him nibbling corn off a cob at 13 months. reason? when she smiles, you see two rows of nice teeth.

re only 100ml of EBM - it's because my mom has had to fight getting 100ml down her throat since day 1. both son and daughter hate the bottle. in fact, now my mom feeds her EBM from a sippy cup until she gets bored and starts dribbling and then will continue feeding the rest with a spoon.

rather against what is recommended for weaning/moving toddlers onto solids/feeding table food. but every child is unique and develops at his/her pace. i'm not going to sweat over how she seems a little slow in some areas. i agree there needs to be some discipline - they only eat at the table and nowhere else. they need to take a minimum amount of food/fruit/water/milk etc. but the body also has a lovely way of ensuring that it gets enough and will make up for the lack on one day by increasing appetite/demand for more on other days (my son survived on bread and cheese at 15 months old - no milk because he was anti-formula milk then - for 5 days when we were travelling. did he fall ill? no. did he lose some weight? probably. did he gain the weight back? certainly.) bottomline, the parent shouldn't be indulgent but set some baseline rules and expectations. beyond that, there are be a room for maneuvering and flexibility.

 

[dujuanrosa]

Same having this age baby..
Have been feeding her cereal as breakfast, porridge for lunch & dinner and snack (eg, bread, yogurt, apple, etc) in the afternoon.
I try to check with paed every visit on the nutritional advice, so as to be more assure that my doing is in the right path and appropriate for the growing stages..One of the advices received from paed is that not only plain porridge, baby needs to eat the meat and vegetables as well for balanced diet..
In fact, at times, i am troubled over what food to prepare for the meals, eg, the snack or what vegetables to add in. Thus, am still capturing as much tips as possible on this area through related website or books..welcome for any recommendation and advices..

you can try baking scones or muffins for breakfast/snack. they are the easiest and fastest, even for working moms who have to stay up past midnight to finish work

the recipes i use:

scones

3 cups self-raising flour
80g cheese - parmesan, cheddar... (just grab a handful)
240ml milk

mix everything together. roll out, press out with dough cutter. bake at 180 degree Celsius for 12-15mins.

for variations, add raisins, cranberries, cherries (my son's favourite), anything else you can think of

muffin

1 3/4cup flour
1/4 cup sugar (i usually half this. my son does not like sugar)
2 1/2 tsp baking powder
3/4 tsp salt
1 egg
3/4 cup mlik
1/3 cup oil

mix dry ingredients. pour in liquid ingredients. pour into muffin pan. bake at 180 degree Celsius for 20-25minutes.
that's the basic mix. you can add anything. choc chips, raisins, apples, cranberries, bananas. less milk/oil if using fruit since there is water.

 

[meiteoh]

rather against what is recommended for weaning/moving toddlers onto solids/feeding table food. but every child is unique and develops at his/her pace. i'm not going to sweat over how she seems a little slow in some areas. i agree there needs to be some discipline - they only eat at the table and nowhere else. they need to take a minimum amount of food/fruit/water/milk etc. but the body also has a lovely way of ensuring that it gets enough and will make up for the lack on one day by increasing appetite/demand for more on other days (my son survived on bread and cheese at 15 months old - no milk because he was anti-formula milk then - for 5 days when we were travelling. did he fall ill? no. did he lose some weight? probably. did he gain the weight back? certainly.) bottomline, the parent shouldn't be indulgent but set some baseline rules and expectations. beyond that, there are be a room for maneuvering and flexibility.

I believe the keywords here are indulgent and discipline. If your child's diet is varied, the chances of nutrition loss is minimal but with picky and fussy children, it's hard to gauge so paeds prefer to take the blanket approach and suggest that you bulk up in terms of frequency. I do agree that toddlers don't eat a lot - the actual serving size for carbs/proteins/veg/etc a one year old is just a tablespoon but many who have had babies used to eating a lot suddenly find themselves in a quandry when their toddlers refuse to eat due to mood swings or whatever reason. So it's up to us parents to provide some ground rules - eat some or don't eat at all - and basic eating habits, eg more fruits and veg over meat and high fat/sugary foods.

striving, if you like, I have some recipes on my baby blog for both babies and toddlers. They include muffins, tarts, pancakes, omelette, fried rice, roasts, etc.

 

[s3r3n385]

Guess that every kids is different and unique. Guideline is still a guideline. How accurate and exact is the guideline and recommendation? Still seriously thinks that as long they are growing healthy and well and strong, that is most important.. So it is up to parent to determine. Paeds may not be dietician, but they are professional. When children fall ill, i doubt we bring them to the dietician for check up.

 

[meiteoh]

Guess that every kids is different and unique. Guideline is still a guideline. How accurate and exact is the guideline and recommendation? Still seriously thinks that as long they are growing healthy and well and strong, that is most important.. So it is up to parent to determine. Paeds may not be dietician, but they are professional. When children fall ill, i doubt we bring them to the dietician for check up.

Well, if you have a heart problem, you don't see a GP, you see a cardiologist. The same goes with nutrition and diet. I'm not saying that PD is better or dietitian is better. Both have their own roles in the medical industry. When a child is sick, you see a PD but when a parent wants advice on nutrition and diet, they should see a nutritionist or dietitian TOGETHER with a PD and not take the word of a PD just like that - I've seen many PDs saying things like "just feed FM lah", etc. A PD can give you GENERAL advice on infant/children diet and nutrition but s/he is not a specialist. Dietitians are more well-versed and have in depth knowledge about nutrition and the human body, especially paed dietitian (this means that they specialise in nutrition specifically for children and infants).

In countries outside of Asia, if a child has a problem that is related to food, a paed actually recommends the parent to see a paed dietitian or nutritionist (as in the case of my friend in Canada - her daughter is healthy and doing well in terms of milestones BUT doesn't eat much solids at all since starting solids and is underweight/too thin for her size - the PD is still concerned anyway because there could be an underlining problem, eg hormones, etc).

Am not too sure how it works here in Singapore but in Switzerland, at every development checkup, your child sees both a PD and nutritionist until a certain age.

 

[s3r3n385]

Actually there is no rights and no wrong. In reAlity, some people might be eating unhealthy, but with good health. But some who is too comcern, might end up with more health issue. Proud to say that my 5 kids are doing very well with their health and diet.

 

[shiyi]

Shiyi, if I rem correctly, your daughter is about the same age as mine? 14months now? Shes still feeding on porridge? No fruit or snacks?
if she wakes up in the middle of the nite like 3am, got to feed another 180ml

snacks? she eats them almost every hr.. everytime she wanna eat biscuit she will bring the tin to us. when we r eating, she will come over beg for food. when we r not eating, she will still beg for food. hahaha

 

[dujuanrosa]

Actually there is no rights and no wrong. In reAlity, some people might be eating unhealthy, but with good health. But some who is too comcern, might end up with more health issue. Proud to say that my 5 kids are doing very well with their health and diet.

Agree with the no hard and fast rule to what's right and wrong (not so sure about the eat unhealthily but in good health though! haha!)

I really don't fuss too much about taking children to nutritionists and dietitians unless there is an underlying health problem, such as childhood diabetes. Otherwise, a lot of it is guided by common sense on what is good for health and what is not. As we watch some parents feed their children KFC chicken (I just witnessed it over the weekend at zoo - baby looked no more than 9 months old. dinner was mashed potato and chicken), most of us would sensibly agree that that is not healthy (although acknowledging it does not equal to a parent not doing it).

I never saw a dietitian or nutritionist growing up. for that matter, i've never seen one my whole life till now, for myself or my children. i think i'm healthy. my mom used a lot of common sense i think. she fed us well and healthy stuff. i'm doing the same for my children. they're growing well and healthy (the paed assessed their development to be good).

btw, i dream of having 5 children too (but not my husband! haha!). i'm envious!!